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Bike registration and licensing info - 2014/11/14 18:56

Here,s the latest from the Province on the registration situation, I called ICBC head office and was told there is no requirement when the use is on private property such as the Club's land. Follow the link for official BC Gov. info. Benny

http://www2.news.gov.bc.ca/news_releases_2013-2017/2014FLNR0263-001700.htm

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Re:Bike registration and licensing info - 2014/11/21 10:51

Here's from BCORMA on the licensing and registration Gong Show

BCORMA News Release – November 21, 2014
Provincial Government's voluntary ORV registration and the date
for mandatory registration is now public!
The ORV Act was passed in Spring 2014. The Government is now bringing in voluntary registration,
with mandatory registration in 2015. The voluntary registration period started on November 17, 2014
and mandatory registration will start on June 1, 2015.
Ken McClelland (BCORMA President) and I have fought hard for the better part of a decade to get dirt
bikers the best deal under the ORV Act. BCORMA continues to work on key details of the rules and
regulations surrounding the ORV legislation. Many additional regulatory and policy components still
need to be worked on prior to mandatory registration on June 1, 2015. This includes vehicle
identification and insurance requirements for road crossings among others.
Plates are still an issue for dirt bikers and snowmobilers, and all MLA need to be made well aware of it.
Ken and I are still pushing hard on the issue and thought we had gotten somewhere, but we have
nothing but soft "we think we are doing this" discussions to go on.
We worked to get the best deal we could considering the Government's objectives and stance on core
issues. What the Government wanted was safe and sustainable recreation on Crown Lands. Our job
was to show them how we are are safe and sustainable.
BCORMA negotiated:
 Reduced youth rider supervisor age down from 25 years old to 19 years old with a valid driver's
license
 An “allowance” for taxes due on private sales before July 2010
 Ability to cross roads at legal crossings
 Appropriate vehicle ID and placement by vehicle type. That means for dirt bikes we can mount
our identification on our front number plate. While we continue to push for decals on our fork
tubes, this is better than a rear mounted plate.
 No required lighting except under adverse or after-hours light conditions.
 Required lighting for dirt bikes would be limited to a portable strap on light that allows other
vehicles to see you.
 Youth riding age for Crown Lands at six years old, not sixteen as proposed by other groups.
The Government has insisted that youth riders be properly supervised and riding in a safe
manner.
 No requirement for 3rd party insurance to ride on Crown Lands. FSRs still require 3rd party
insurance and a driver's license.
Taxes have always legally been due on used and private sales, and the Government considers that nonnegotiable.
After a letter to the Deputy Minister and many discussions with the Ministry of Finance
where we recommended a grace period from tax payment on used motorcycle sales, the Government
has provided a window. Not close to what we recommended, but much better than their position that
taxes were due on the value at the time of the transaction period.
My suggestion is that you contact the Government Manager of the file or your MLA, and discuss your
concerns and questions. You can reach Vera via her Blackberry at: 250.889.9192 BCORMA needs all
dirt bikers to express their views directly to Vera and their MLA if we hope to have Government listen
to our recommendations. With upwards of 15% of BC households having one or more ORV, we
represent a large block of votes.
Give me a call in Williams Lake or Ken in Kamloops to discuss the ORV Act. If you prefer a more
free-form discussion by BC dirt bikers, please go to BCORMA's Facebook page:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/11140817555/
Because of BCORMA continuing Trail Pass Program, we have put $1000s of funds into off-road
motorcycle trails. For 2015, we will be leading a $433,500 BCORMA Trails for Tomorrow trail works
project across the BC. Vedder, Squamish, Kamloops, Revelstoke, Bear Creek, OK Falls, IOCO, Blue
Mountain, to Bull Mountain at Williams Lake will be getting new and rehabilitated trails, staging areas,
signage, and bridges. That's trails for your kid's kids to ride on.
We have some of the best riding in the world because of BCORMA's constant drive and the work of all
our dedicated Directors and myself.
Peter Sprague, MSc.
Executive Director
BC Off-Road Motorcycle Association
http://bcorma.ca
peter.bcorma@shaw.ca
250.398.5251 Williams Lake - summer
250.412.3444 Victoria – winter
Official BC Provincial Government information on their new ORV Act
implementation
Here is the link to the ORV News release re voluntary registration et al:
http://www.newsroom.gov.bc.ca/2014/11/off-road-vehicle-registration-available-monday-nov-17.htm
The main ORV Management Framework webpage has been updated to include the new dates for
voluntary and mandatory registration:
http://www.for.gov.bc.ca/mof/orv/
Note: here’s the weblink to the news release regarding the Off Road Vehicle Act achieving Royal
Assent on March 24, 2014: http://www.newsroom.gov.bc.ca/2014/02/orv-legislation-will-keep-bcsbackcountry-
safe.html
Attached is the final version of the bulletin that has now gone out to Law Enforcement and Safety - it is
now a public document.
Attached ORV Sales Tax Bulletin is also public:
Vera Vukelich has asked us to direct any questions from members or the public about sales tax to
Ministry of Finance’s toll free number at 1 877 388-4440 or they can email questions to
CTBTaxQuestions@gov.bc.ca
Information is also available on this Ministry of Finance website: gov.bc.ca/pst
Stakeholder associations can contact Joel Fairbairn directly at Consumer Taxation Programs Branch, at
250 387-1118 or by email at Joel.Fairbairn@gov.bc.ca.
The Government has asked for all media queries to be directed to:
Greig Bethel
Media Relations
Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations
Phone: 250 356-5261
Email: Greig.Bethel@gov.bc.ca
All other concerns or questions should be addressed to your MLA or Vera Vukelich, Manager, Land
Policy and Programs.
Vera Vukelich | Manager, Land Policy and Programs | Land Tenures Branch | Tenures, Competiveness
and Innovation Division | Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations | PO Box 9308
Stn Prov Govt, Victoria BC V8W 9J2| Location: 4th Fl - 780 Blanshard St | PH: 250 356-7040; BB:
250 889-9192; FX: 250 356-6791

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Re:Bike registration and licensing info - 2014/11/26 10:09

Hello all, The jist of this seems to be not to register our bikes until the province realizes that license plates will not work for us as they are an injury hazard particularly for trials and kid bikes, remember this is a 5 x 7 inch plate with sharp metal edges that is apparently to be displayed on the rear of the machine .
As the BCORMA letter states , write or email your MLA and or contact the ministry people identified in the above press release and let them know that plates won't work, and like almost all jurisdictions we should have fork tube decals.
Thanks for taking the effort. Benny

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Re:Bike registration and licensing info - 2015/01/29 10:43

Try this link for some info on the Provincial Tax implications for those that own motocycles and have no proper documentation. This document contains links to further reading if your not already frustrated enough.

www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_library/notices/notice_2013-011.pdf

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Re:Bike registration and licensing info - 2015/02/19 10:28

I recently asked the Provincial Tax Man the following question and have included there answer here FYI.

Hello, I have a hypothetical question on the PST implications on ORV's, The answer I require is timely as Provincial legislation( ORV licensing and registration) becomes mandatory June1-2015. I am asking this question on behalf of my local motorcycle club, and need to provide information at an upcoming meeting. Thanks for your prompt reply.

The scenario-

I purchased a used 2008 GasGas 280 Raga Pro( Trials motorcycle) July -2013 from an acquaintance with a hand shake for 3500$, the transaction involved no paper receipt and the bike has never been registered ( typical scenario across the province), Later I decide to gift the bike to my immediate relative January- 2015 and will provide a hand written receipt( standard contract law format) showing the change of ownership and fair market value at the time of transaction to be 1000$ ( the bike has been used hard in competition in the meantime, seriously depreciating it ). Now the relative has to comply with legislation to pay PST and license and register the ORV.

Will self assessement satisfy the requirements of the tax authourity for ownership and fair market value of this ORV?What are the other tax/ownership implications in this case for the individuals involved?

We (tax Man) can provide information to both of your questions. If you have further follow-up questions, please let us know.

There first answer was just generic reference info. so I followed with;

Thanks for your prompt reply.
What is not clear is whether there would be any implications for the donor of the non taxed gift? I take it that the Province only wants to collect tax on the value of the final transaction, and that there is no liability to the donor?

Also the question of proof of ownership does not seem to enter into the matter in the example provided. Does that mean its not the tax dept's concern and its simply the tax on transaction that matters and proof of ownership will need to be proved to ICBC upon registration?

FYI I have read 2013-011 and many of the links provided in that document

( my question repeated in there response)

1) What is not clear is whether there would be any implications for the donor of the non taxed gift? I take it that the Province only wants to collect tax on the value of the final transaction, and that there is no liability to the donor?

Tax Man answer
There will be no implications for the donor in this scenario. Only the person registering the ORV is required to pay the PST on the transaction.

Question 2
2) Does that mean its not the tax dept's concern and its simply the tax on transaction that matters and proof of ownership will need to be proved to ICBC upon registration?

Answer 2
Yes, the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia will only collect PST from the person registering the ORV. If the person registering the ORV has an invoice or gift letter from the previous owner, please provide this with your registration for proof of ownership purposes. In absence of an invoice or letter, ICBC may request that the person registering the vehicle sign a Statutory Declaration confirming that the person registering the ORV is the legal owner of the ORV.

This correspondence describes how the Ministry interprets the relevant tax provisions for information purposes only. This response may be impacted by variations in circumstance, subsequent changes to legislation or subsequent court decisions. The Ministry is not responsible for updating this response if there are any subsequent changes to the law. This response is provided as an aid to understanding the legislation and is not intended to replace the legislation.

Rulings and Interpretations Team
Ministry of Finance
www.gov.bc.ca/consumertaxes

Cheers . Benny

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Re:Bike registration and licensing info - 2015/02/25 14:20

Here's a link to an attachment on BCORMA's site that will give you an idea what they are upto on our behalf, scroll down for the link here. Benny

http://www.bcorma.ca/node/1535

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